Hello, I was inspired by the always girl Marcone prompts, so... How different would Marcone's ascension to power be if he was a woman? What would she have to do to be taken seriously? What would be the actions/reaction of her soon to be employees? How would they look at her? What sort of relationship would she have with Hendricks? Bonus point for Harry being his chivalrous self in their first meeting and every single outfit guy flinching in pity for what would be left of Harry.
Any pairings, but preference for Marcone/Hendricks and Harry/Marcone
I'm not sure if Harry would be his usual chivalrous self if he met Girl!Marcone the same way he did in cannon. And there's the fact that he might have heard about the rumors about her so he might actually be on his guard instead.
Also, it would probably be quite interesting to see their interaction since around the beginning of the series, Harry was abused by a lot of females. If Marcone has any interests in Harry at this time, hopefully she won't try suduction b/c Harry might notice and instantly get his guard up instead of cannon where he doesn't catch it and response with witty banter.
It may just be me, but I hope that Girl!Marcone isn't like Murphy since Murphy most likely dealt with the same problems she's going to. Early!Murphy was very violent towards Harry in the beginning.
Good point. But would she use seduction? I doubt Marcone as a woman would use it as her first "weapon", as I also doubt the Outfit would take kindly to a woman going around using seduction to get to the top as she wouldn't be very respected and would probably be seen as weak, but to be truthful I can only speculate on canon reaction as I am still trying to get through the third chapter of Fool Moon... ^^ I don't think she has to be violent to be respected, perhaps only the threat of violence backed by her reputation plus the strenght of her subordinates? Every time I think of Marcone as a woman I kind of draw a parallel with Balalaika from Black Lagoon, who is a SCARY SCARY woman but most of the time is not seen as violent without due provocation (AKA without the death of one of her people and/or those under her protection)
Well... You make a good point as well. But in Storm Front, Marcone was acting nice with Harry b/c he needs him to either stay out of the case or work for him. He didn't quite believe Harry to be who he claimed to be. Afterwards, he dropped playing friendly to eventually become, help each other out to help Chicago!Marcone.
Maybe not using seduction against Harry, but being the friendly agreeable person that is very logically and nicely, telling him to stay away from the case. Except Harry's not logical at all and sticks to his morals. But if she tricks Harry into a soulgaze, isn't that really how all the Marcone/Dresden relationship really starts out then? Marcone seeing something in Harry that makes her respect and maybe fear him a little while Harry now knows that Marcone isn't someone you ever want to let your guard down, but she's a fierce protector of what's hers.
I suppose if it ends up as a Marcone/Dresden relationship, he'll have to be wary of her or else, there would be too much power of Marcone's side of the relationship if Harry keeps tripping himself over her. ...Maybe like Harry's relationship with Lara?
If it's a Marcone/Hendricks one, I'm not sure how she'll treat Harry, but maybe it's more of a motherly/friendly relationship where she keeps trying to feed him?
Hm... I'm not sure where in the books that show where they really start to trust each other. Maybe Death Masks?
Strange...I wasn't really thinking about them starting a relationship so early either, but more of how are they going to interact with each other.
In the end, I guess it all depends on the writer. There's too many variables and too many alternate possiblities for us to really decide on what should be.
...I'm a little giddy since this is my first discussion. :D
Hi! I'm sorry for not answering before, but apparently every e-mail I (should have) received from Dreamwidth ended up in my spam folder... But, anyway I think I recovered everything ^_^ But yes, I think if my prompt is filled, we may have material for future discussions, but right now? We are only speculating ^^ And this is also my first discussion ever, as I am normally a lurker ^_^ And I really am sorry about taking so long to answer you, to tell the truth, I think I spent 1 hour checking my e-mail to see if you had answered ^^
I wasn't thinking on a relationship so early on (perhaps I should have added it on my prompt?) as I don't think it could work for exactly the same reasons as you say... And while the association between Marcone/Harry starts there, most of the fics I have read don't take place until Harry at least trusts Marcone a little, for these same reasons, and a huge stumbling block is always how much they trust each other.
It can work, but normally, Marcone has to even the field for Harry to not feel threatened. Would it work with Marcone as a woman ina male dominated position, and as so less inclined to leave herself vulnerable to attacks? I don't know.
If it was Marcone/Hendricks their relationship would probably be a friendly one, tough Marcone would probably not like to hear Hendricks described as "Cujo". Mothering? I don't know, perhaps after she sees how harry lives and justifies her care and gifts as a way to keep Chicago safe?
I'm presently trying to write an always-female!Marcone fill. It's not for your prompt (sorry) but it will probably touch on some parts of it. So this discussion is v. helpful.
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Date: 2011-02-27 12:07 am (UTC)How different would Marcone's ascension to power be if he was a woman? What would she have to do to be taken seriously? What would be the actions/reaction of her soon to be employees? How would they look at her? What sort of relationship would she have with Hendricks?
Bonus point for Harry being his chivalrous self in their first meeting and every single outfit guy flinching in pity for what would be left of Harry.
Any pairings, but preference for Marcone/Hendricks and Harry/Marcone
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Date: 2011-02-27 12:22 am (UTC)Also, it would probably be quite interesting to see their interaction since around the beginning of the series, Harry was abused by a lot of females. If Marcone has any interests in Harry at this time, hopefully she won't try suduction b/c Harry might notice and instantly get his guard up instead of cannon where he doesn't catch it and response with witty banter.
It may just be me, but I hope that Girl!Marcone isn't like Murphy since Murphy most likely dealt with the same problems she's going to. Early!Murphy was very violent towards Harry in the beginning.
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Date: 2011-02-27 01:00 am (UTC)I don't think she has to be violent to be respected, perhaps only the threat of violence backed by her reputation plus the strenght of her subordinates? Every time I think of Marcone as a woman I kind of draw a parallel with Balalaika from Black Lagoon, who is a SCARY SCARY woman but most of the time is not seen as violent without due provocation (AKA without the death of one of her people and/or those under her protection)
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Date: 2011-02-27 01:02 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-02-27 01:15 am (UTC)Maybe not using seduction against Harry, but being the friendly agreeable person that is very logically and nicely, telling him to stay away from the case. Except Harry's not logical at all and sticks to his morals. But if she tricks Harry into a soulgaze, isn't that really how all the Marcone/Dresden relationship really starts out then? Marcone seeing something in Harry that makes her respect and maybe fear him a little while Harry now knows that Marcone isn't someone you ever want to let your guard down, but she's a fierce protector of what's hers.
I suppose if it ends up as a Marcone/Dresden relationship, he'll have to be wary of her or else, there would be too much power of Marcone's side of the relationship if Harry keeps tripping himself over her. ...Maybe like Harry's relationship with Lara?
If it's a Marcone/Hendricks one, I'm not sure how she'll treat Harry, but maybe it's more of a motherly/friendly relationship where she keeps trying to feed him?
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Date: 2011-02-27 02:22 am (UTC)Strange...I wasn't really thinking about them starting a relationship so early either, but more of how are they going to interact with each other.
In the end, I guess it all depends on the writer. There's too many variables and too many alternate possiblities for us to really decide on what should be.
...I'm a little giddy since this is my first discussion. :D
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Date: 2011-03-02 12:25 am (UTC)I'm sorry for not answering before, but apparently every e-mail I (should have) received from Dreamwidth ended up in my spam folder... But, anyway I think I recovered everything ^_^
But yes, I think if my prompt is filled, we may have material for future discussions, but right now? We are only speculating ^^
And this is also my first discussion ever, as I am normally a lurker ^_^
And I really am sorry about taking so long to answer you, to tell the truth, I think I spent 1 hour checking my e-mail to see if you had answered ^^
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Date: 2011-02-27 01:41 am (UTC)And while the association between Marcone/Harry starts there, most of the fics I have read don't take place until Harry at least trusts Marcone a little, for these same reasons, and a huge stumbling block is always how much they trust each other.
It can work, but normally, Marcone has to even the field for Harry to not feel threatened. Would it work with Marcone as a woman ina male dominated position, and as so less inclined to leave herself vulnerable to attacks? I don't know.
If it was Marcone/Hendricks their relationship would probably be a friendly one, tough Marcone would probably not like to hear Hendricks described as "Cujo".
Mothering? I don't know, perhaps after she sees how harry lives and justifies her care and gifts as a way to keep Chicago safe?
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Date: 2011-02-27 01:08 am (UTC)I'm presently trying to write an always-female!Marcone fill. It's not for your prompt (sorry) but it will probably touch on some parts of it. So this discussion is v. helpful.
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Date: 2011-02-27 01:11 am (UTC)And I'm happy this discussion helps you ^^